Forum:Spanish OSRS wiki
Hi, im Raguixxx and i formally propose the creation of the spanish Old School Runescape Wiki. The latin american community is an important part of the player community. Our brothers of the Brazilian-Portuguese community have their own wiki in RS3, and i wish to help to develop our own one in OSRS. The wiki i think could be only a different language version of the original OSW in english. I got many ideas and i willing to discuss every thing and its form while the principal proyect (the creation of the wiki itself) could be approved.
Comment - It's great to see editors in showing interest in creating a new language wiki for OSRS. However, I have one main concern for the creation of an "unofficially supported" language. RS3 has official translation for multiple languages, whereas there are no official translations for OSRS. The concern I have is how will pages be named? Will you match the pre-existing translations from RS3, use the English in-game names instead, or do direct translations? Shoyrukon (talk) 18:37, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - The pages will be named in their english names if that is the better for the player community. Articles like quests, items, dairies and things like that will have their names in english because OSRS is only in english. Article's bodies will be in spanish (of course) and some articles about things that are not needed to be searched to play the game (like "history of the fourth age") or "our lord, the almighty Guthix" will have their titles in spanish. Links for other articles (like "soda ash" in the "molten glass" article) could be in spanish or english. I didn't decide yet and i think it could be discussed.
Comment - In the last comment/proposal of the Starting additional wikis , Cook made some questions about the spanish wiki itself. I will try to answer some of them.
- About entity names: I think it was answered before, but the articles names should be in english if they refer to something in game (bucket of milk), because the game is only in english. If in the future Jagex launches the spanish OSRS version, then i think it could be possible to have all in spanish, but not in a near future.
- About resources like images or so, i think it must be shared with the english version, if possible.
- I don't know how much maintenance will be necessary, but once the wiki will be launched, i think more people will unite us to help to grow it.
- The people and communities i know are just like the english ones: clans, pkers, people who do the same minigames and so. Im sure there are not any "leaders" because the same thing happens with the english community. There are some famous people, like youtubers, but not one or various "political" leaders. We are talking about a game. People don't get too organizated for something like it. If i was wrong, this proyect would have been presented in the past, and that didn't happen. I think people will use a service (like the wiki) if is it in there.
- There are a lot of venezuelans in the game, it's true, but i don't know how many of them play legit and how many are goldfarmers. I don't care much about them because they get banned in short time and they don't do more harm to the game than bots or stackers (yes, i think to stack 1-2b do more harm to the game economy than one or ten guys who gets banned after 1 week of green dragon training). As an argentinian who plays since 2005, i see there are currently chilenians, brazilians, mexicans, venezuelans and people of most countries of latin america (and one or two from Spain).
- Maybe the new wiki could be know using messages in top of the articles, like you did in the past with some things and proyects. We could spread the word too in discord and reddit.
- The plan could be discussed, but the priority will be quests, then dairies, minigames, items, NPCs, and finally, dialogues.
As i always said, everything could be discussed and is secondary to me because we need to ensure that the wiki will be created and launched. Once we got the wiki, we could talk about everything that isn't a easy point to discuss.
Oppose - While I don't think I'm against the concept of a Spanish OSRS wiki, I don't believe that this is the proposal that we should accept. My two biggest reasons are (1) that the proposal is not fleshed out enough and (2) that there doesn't seem to be an experienced wiki team ready-to-go. This is the kind of proposal that needs to be fully thought out before accepting it. I know that means you would have to spend time on something that may not be accepted, but it wouldn't be smart to create the wiki and only then figure out how you're going to do it. We might learn that it's not as feasible as we thought and then we would be stuck with a dead wiki.
(1) it's great that you're enthusiastic about making a new wiki, but it's a much larger task than I think you believe. As someone who's been a contributor to a fledgling wiki, it takes a lot of time and effort (and that wiki was small in comparison to how much there content there is on OSRS). You first have to translate 20k pages and all the modules/templates and then commit to writing new articles with every weekly update. Currently, you don't even have a solid game plan for how you plan to translate articles. There have been discussions on what would be best but, as far as I can tell, you haven't definitively chosen one. In a proper proposal, I would expect a lot more things already decided. I'd like to see a style guide, sample articles (maybe even a fair amount of articles ready to go, to show that you're committed and so that the wiki has something to show for it on launch. That would also help build a community), a list of who will be admins/bureaucrats (and get to know them before letting them essentially represent Weird Gloop to the greater RS community), etc. I know you said that this can all be decided after you get the go-ahead, but ideally this is all decided beforehand.
(2) you say that you know many people who are willing to contribute but I'm not convinced that there will actually be a well-managed team. If they aren't comfortable even writing a comment in support, I don't have confidence in their ability to edit a wiki to the standards I would accept on a Weird Gloop-affiliated wiki. As far as I can tell, every editor will be entirely new to the process. While I always appreciate new editors, if you have no experience writing articles, not only will you hate translating 20k of them, any new articles won't be up to acceptable standards. Also, since I imagine that you want to be the bureaucrat on the wiki, I would expect you to already have experience contributing to wikis and at least be somewhat known in our community.
I don't mean to be elitist about standards for our affiliated wikis, but I don't want any wikis associated with WG to be left unfinished and neglected after the initial enthusiasm inevitably dies out. That would reflect poorly on the rest of them. We've all seen contributors who are very eager at the start and then disappear after burning out, it happens and it's totally fine since there are always other people to do the work, but I'm not sure this would be the case here. Unfortunately, nothing in this proposal makes me think that this is less than improbable or, even if that doesn't happen, that this project will live up to standards set by our other wikis. But this can all be worked on! Come back with a solid proposal and I think that this could be an interesting project. Nex Undique(talk) 01:08, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Oppose - How long will this team of yours actually continue to edit for? How long will this support of yours will continue. While I haven't been fully active in this, I might as well bring up something. A small team of dedicated people can keep a machine running for as long as it is needed but it will never be at peak efficiency. The issue here is that while you have the tools and materials to create the machine and to maintain it, you really don't have the blueprints to make it. As Nex said, you need more than guile to have a successful idea. Make that proposal, do trials of pages in things like a userpage Sandbox, experiment and refine a plan.01:49, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Comment - I, much like those above, have reservations about creating a new wiki from scratch especially for a non-supported language as far as RS is concerned. However, I think taking a step back to allow some of the issues to be resolved would be beneficial. With that in mind, could we have the following:
- Who is interested in contributing to the proposed wiki and what their background is in terms of wiki and/or game experience, i.e. what are they looking to contribute. Can this be from the people themselves instead of via someone else as they need to start editing themselves sooner or later for this to be sustainable.
- Who are the proposed admins and bureaucrats of the wiki?
- Can some of the more pertinent questions be resolved up front? For example, what language pages will be named in. I don't care if the plan changes down the line, but you need some ground work to start from and here seems as good a place as any.
Not yet - I love the enthusiasm behind wanting to start a translated version of the Old School RuneScape Wiki. I do have some concerns, however, that leave me with a lack of confidence in the rollout.
- There doesn't seem to be much in terms of your proposed team at this time; such as who and their experience.
- Unless if I've overlooked it, there hasn't been many examples of pages that have been properly translated and act as a template for other pages.
Comment Hi guys. I didnt respond to all of your questions because i realize that some of my team members aren't stable enough to be with me in this proyect. I think im the only person with enough knowledge in both old school runescape and english language and i don't have time to become a wiki-man and spend all the day in it. I will try to translate slowly some pages and articles but i think you arent interested in give me the opportunity to be in the official wiki group with you unless we have a very well produced wiki. I will try to find another place to continue with this proyect. Thank you for all your support in the previous thread. I bet we could have our own wiki sooner or later. Raguixxx (talk) 23:18, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Closed - Thread closed as the original proposal has been withdrawn.07:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)