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Hey, this is basically just a quick and simple thread following on from a discussion in #wiki-tech to decide whether to enable the sitenotice on mobile. The sitenotice is an occasional notice that can be placed at the top of every page on the wiki to make an important announcement. For example, the current sitenotice for RS Wiki can be found on rsw:MediaWiki:Sitenotice. Sitenotices are meant to be used sparingly to prevent banner blindness among other things, and the main instances it is used across the wikis are for things like promoting One Small Wiki Favour on the RS and OS wikis.

The sitenotice is currently only displayed on desktop. We can enable the sitenotice on mobile if we choose. By default, the CSS for the sitenotice on the mobile skin makes it take up a fair amount of vertical space, but I have added CSS on the RS and OS wikis to adjust this. The sitenotices now look like this on mobile, if they were enabled (the green box at the top):

OS Wiki example


RS Wiki example


Personally, I think there is no harm in enabling the sitenotice on mobile, provided we continue to follow the same practice of using them sparingly across the wikis, and use the CSS changes I made above to reduce the space taken by the notice.

Discussion[edit source]

Enable on mobile - for reason above jayden 16:39, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Generally prefer not having except in extreme situations - the CSS you added is definitely a big improvement in compactness and readability, but I think there are very few times where a mobile sitenotice is worthwhile. I have a feeling that we are going to get dramatically lower click rates on mobile for things like surveys, OSWF, announcements, any sort of thing we'd use it for. This is just because opening a new tab is way more of a hassle and context switch on a tiny mobile screen than it is on desktop - people will just ignore it at a higher rate.

I also think even with your compact version it's a bit too much screen real estate. It's a decent chunk of the page on any small mobile screens.

I can imagine some scenarios where we'd want to use this, but for run of the mill stuff like OSWF or a survey, it seems like a net negative due to what I'm expecting to be low response rates. ʞooɔ 16:49, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Questions - What are impacts of enabling it - apart from screen real estate? Is it possible and/or how easily can a site notice be displayed for only desktop vs both? (i.e. Can we explicitly set mobile to not display oswf notices somehow) FjaraTalkRxSktuY.png 16:44, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

FWIW a 'nomobile' class can be added to the template, table, w/e so that solves the not having lesser important sitenotices on mobile issue. Shayani (talk) 19:18, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Only for extreme cases for notices about scheduled website outages or the migration whereas there will be technical problems arising so people that exclusively use mobile—that also haven't bothered with joining the discord server or following the wiki in social medias—know where to come and report issues. Shayani (talk) 19:18, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

generally support/specific cases - I'd agree putting oswf on mobile is not a great use of it, I'd say leave it for only necessary things like shayani said. Though I would like to leave it more open for discussion depending on the topic. On my samsung S5 the banner takes up about 1/5 to 1/4 of the screen, but I don't see that as a real issue as it is displayed once and can be closed. I'd never have a problem with that unless it was abused/unrelated or extremely large. FjaraTalkRxSktuY.png 20:11, 26 November 2021 (UTC)