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This thread was archived on 28 December 2018 by Gaz Lloyd.

So, there appear to be some actual discussions happening on the meta wiki by now. Thing is, it doesn't appear to have much in the way of concrete policies. This hasn't really been a problem yet. Why would it be, there are two wikis with very similar rules and a fair bit of overlap between the communities? But clarifying what rules people are actually held to on the meta wiki would still be a good thing. Wiki policies already differ a bit, they might diverge further, and we might end up hosting more wikis with vastly different policies some day - we can't assume the rules of any single other wiki applies on meta.

With that in mind, I'm suggesting the following:

Assume Good Faith[edit source]

I propose an Assume Good Faith policy is implemented on Meta as described on either osrsw:RS:AGF or rsw:RS:AGF. The last line about where to report vandalism is removed, as the Meta wiki doesn't have a CVU equivalent. The two policies are otherwise equivalent.

Discussion[edit source]

Support - As nominator -I Am Me Talk- 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - Kate msg 03:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 04:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - TylerJarret (Talketh) 18:06, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - iN008talk 22:59, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - BigDiesel2m (talk) 12:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Consensus[edit source]

I propose a Consensus policy as described on rsw:RS:C is implemented on Meta. The Oldschool Runescape wiki has a near-identical policy at osrsw:RS:C, the only difference being that a note in the Closure section about previously rejected proposals is not present. I suggest that note be kept.

Discussion[edit source]

Support RS3 version - As nominator. -I Am Me Talk- 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Support The Game Formerly Known As RS3 version - Kate msg 03:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support RS3 - dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 04:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support RS3 - TylerJarret (Talketh) 18:06, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support RT7 -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - Although I'm not necessarily a fan of that clause in particular. iN008talk 22:59, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Don't Delete Discussions[edit source]

I propose a Don't Delete Discussions policy like the one located at osrsw:RS:DDD is implemented on Meta. This is different from the one at rsw:RS:DDD as it explicitly allows deleting off topic threads in osrsw:Forum:Watercooler (the local equivalent of Forum:Index or rsw:Forum:Yew Grove).

Discussion[edit source]

Support OSRS version - As nominator. -I Am Me Talk- 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Support The Game Formerly Known As RS3 version - Kate msg 03:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support OSRS version - dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 04:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support either - TylerJarret (Talketh) 18:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support OSRS version -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support OSRS version - iN008talk 22:59, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Support OSRS version - BigDiesel2m (talk) 12:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Don't Edit Userpages[edit source]

I propose a Don't Edit Userpages policy like the ones located at osrsw:RS:DEU or rsw:RS:DEU is implemented on Meta. The two policies are identical.

Discussion[edit source]

Support - As nominator. -I Am Me Talk- 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Support, with the exception of fixing redlinks - Kate msg 03:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Comment Why not fix redlinks, might I ask? -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 04:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - TylerJarret (Talketh) 18:11, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support/Comment - I can't imagine there will be much happening in the userspace on Meta, but there is no harm in including this policy. iN008talk 22:59, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - BigDiesel2m (talk) 12:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Don't Feed the Trolls[edit source]

I propose a Don't Feed the Trolls policy like the one described on rsw:RS:DFTT or osrsw:RS:DFTT is implemented on Meta. Aside from the pretty pictures on the RS3 version of the page, the two policies are identical.

Discussion[edit source]

Support - As nominator. -I Am Me Talk- 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Support The Game Formerly Known As RS3 version - Kate msg 03:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 04:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - TylerJarret (Talketh) 18:12, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - iN008talk 22:59, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - BigDiesel2m (talk) 12:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Gaming the System[edit source]

I propose a Gaming the System policy similar to the ones at osrsw:RS:GTS and rsw:RS:GTS is implemented on Meta. Any reference to the Runescape or Oldschool Runescape wiki would be replaced with references to the Meta wiki, and references to policies and processes not on the Meta wiki would be changed or removed. The wording could otherwise be taken from either, as the differences are generally only cosmetic.

Discussion[edit source]

Support - As nominator. -I Am Me Talk- 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - Kate msg 03:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 04:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - TylerJarret (Talketh) 18:13, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - iN008talk 22:59, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - BigDiesel2m (talk) 12:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Personal Templates[edit source]

I propose a Personal Templates policy be implemented similar to the osrsw:RS:PT or rsw:RS:PT policies. Like the Oldschool policy, I propose it be made as a page of its own rather than a subpage of a general template policy, as I'm not proposing porting over a policy on non-personal templates. The text of the two policies is effectively identical, except that they link to the differently-named forums of the two wikis and the Oldschool version fixes the spelling of "transcluded" on line 9 - the Meta version would link to Forum:Index, would not keep the typo, and the "See also" section which links to the template policy would be removed.

Discussion[edit source]

Support as non-subpage - As nominator. -I Am Me Talk- 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Changed to support modified version - I agree with cqm's suggestion about a note on signatures, and I agree with iN008 that the userbox section is probably not necessary and should probably be removed. -I Am Me Talk- 16:57, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Comment - I'd also like to see a reference to signature templates. Whether we require them to be in userspace or allow them to be in the template namespace I don't mind, but it would be good for it to line up with existing policies to keep preferences simple. cqm talk 20:37, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

I think that's covered in the Signature policy, but yeah, it might be good to state it in here too. -I Am Me Talk- 22:01, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Support, with exception to Signatures Templates - Kate msg 03:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support OSRS version - dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 04:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support, with exception to Signatures Templates - TylerJarret (Talketh) 18:14, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support, with the addition of a mention of Signature Templates -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Soft-oppose/Comment - As mentioned in the DEU policy proposal, I can't imagine there being that much activity within Meta's userspace, I'd suggest a simplified PT policy instead, in particular removing the userbox section entirely and suggesting any user template should be a subpage of the users' page. I also agreeing with Cqm on the signatures. iN008talk 22:59, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Support this - BigDiesel2m (talk) 12:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Proxies[edit source]

I propose the Proxies policy described on rsw:RS:PROXY and osrsw:RS:PROXY be implemented on Meta. The two policies are identical apart from where they mention the name of the wiki, which should be changed for the Meta version.

Discussion[edit source]

Support - As nominator. -I Am Me Talk- 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Changed to oppose - merge with block policy instead, per cqm below. -I Am Me Talk- 16:57, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Comment - Is this not essentially part of the block policy? cqm talk 20:35, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Fair, most of that could be folded into the block policy. The only part in there not directly concerning blocking is just saying "you're allowed to edit from proxies" and we don't really need a policy just to say that. -I Am Me Talk- 22:01, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
While it is true that most of the policy talks about blocking for unacceptable uses of proxies, I think it unwelcoming for the main guidelines regarding use of proxies to be on the Block policy page; doing so would create the impression that while it is allowed, they are automatically treated with severe suspicion. -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Don't agree with this line of thinking, as I Am me said, there is only 1 part of the policy not related to our block policies and it not substantial enough to warrant a dedicated policy. Whether or not a policy comes off as "unwelcoming" is irrelevant. iN008talk 22:59, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - Kate msg 03:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 04:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - TylerJarret (Talketh) 18:16, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - As per the earlier comment, RS:PROXY should be merged with the block policy. iN008talk 22:59, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Merge with block policy - BigDiesel2m (talk) 12:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Signatures[edit source]

  • I propose a Signatures policy similar to the ones described on osrsw:RS:SIG and rsw:RS:SIG be implemented on Meta.
  • I propose the rules surrounding what a signature may look like be given its own section header like on the Runescape wiki.
  • I propose the rule in place on the Runescape wiki but not on the Oldschool Runescape wiki stating that links and images in a signature may not change is not implemented on Meta.
  • I propose the section on having other people create one's signature be removed, as I don't exactly expect a vibrant community of signature creators to form on the Meta wiki in particular.
  • I propose the "Setting up your signature" section be taken from the Oldschool Runescape wiki version, as it's slightly more extensive than the Runescape wiki version.

Discussion[edit source]

Support the above bullet points - As nominator. -I Am Me Talk- 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Comment - If I remember correctly, the reason RSW has a rule about changing images was because one user had something like 100 images in their signature and was constantly being fixed by other users to keep WantedFiles clear. It's an extreme example, but looking back I think that disallowing changing images is beneficial. I don't care about changing text as long as it's not markedly different between the various options and is in-line with the rest of the policy. cqm talk 20:33, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Good point, that's an angle I hadn't thought about. I think that'd be less of a problem on Meta, though - there probably wouldn't be a whole lot of images getting uploaded to meta, interwiki file links seem to show up as links rather than images, and external links don't redlink. Though I guess if there are no wiki files in signatures, having the rule in place isn't hurting anyone either. -I Am Me Talk- 22:01, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Support The Game Formerly Known As RS3 version - Kate msg 03:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 04:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - TylerJarret (Talketh) 18:17, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - BigDiesel2m (talk) 12:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Status and opinion-weight[edit source]

I propose a policy on Status and opinion-weight similar to the policy on osrsw:RS:SOW and rsw:RS:SOW be implemented on Meta. The two policies are identical.

Discussion[edit source]

Support - As nominator. -I Am Me Talk- 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - Kate msg 03:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 04:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Much Support - TylerJarret (Talketh) 18:17, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - iN008talk 22:59, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - BigDiesel2m (talk) 12:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Use Common Sense[edit source]

I propose a Use Common Sense policy like the one on rsw:RS:UCS or the one on osrsw:RS:UCS be implemented on Meta. While I prefer the Runescape wiki version, because I feel that a policy that says "use common sense instead of following policies to the letter" really shouldn't need step-by-step instructions, I believe the note from the Oldschool Runescape version that "UCS should never be used to justify your viewpoint when others disagree" would be worth keeping.

Discussion[edit source]

Support - As nominator. -I Am Me Talk- 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Support mix of The Game Formerly Known As RS3 and OSRS version - Kate msg 03:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support OSRS version - dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 04:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support Common Sense - TylerJarret (Talketh) 18:18, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support RS version, with the addition of the OSRS note on disagreeing - A UCS policy really should be laconic. -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support hybrid version - iN008talk 22:59, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - BigDiesel2m (talk) 12:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

User Block Policy[edit source]

I propose a User Block Policy much like the one on osrsw:RS:UBP and rsw:RS:UBP be implemented on Meta. I also propose the note on blocking people from clans and/or clan chats be removed, as those are the domain of the individual wikis, not the Meta wiki - individual wikis can still make it their policy to ban people if they were blocked for UTP violations on Meta, of course.

Discussion[edit source]

Support - As nominator. -I Am Me Talk- 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - Kate msg 03:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 04:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - TylerJarret (Talketh) 18:18, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support, but with a bit of clarification about the 6 months appeal thing, since the way it currently reads is unclear whether or not you can appeal after it reaches the 6-month delay (i.e., the phrase "at this point" is unclear). -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Comment - Our block policy has not been changed since we left FANDOM, perhaps it should be reviewed before implementation on Meta. Specifically the appeal section and the lack of information on network wide bans should they occur. iN008talk 22:59, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

User Treatment Policy[edit source]

I propose the User Treatment Policy as described on rsw:RS:UTP and osrsw:RS:UTP be implemented on Meta. The two policies are identical, and don't appear to need any changes.

Discussion[edit source]

Support - As nominator. -I Am Me Talk- 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - Kate msg 03:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 04:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - TylerJarret (Talketh) 18:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - iN008talk 22:59, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - BigDiesel2m (talk) 12:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion (General)[edit source]

Comment - Did I miss anything? -I Am Me Talk- 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Comment - I'm glad someone actually reads our policies. Also Kate, just call it RS3. dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 04:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Some would argue that the game isn't actually called RS3, and is just branded as simply "RS" nowadays, though... Kate msg 04:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Some would be reminded that runescape3.com redirects to runescape.com :^) - dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 04:53, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Some would be reminded that runescape2.com also redirects to runescape.com -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Suggestion - There should be a navbox for the meta wiki policy pages, like Template:Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Could probably use one for the RS and OSRS wikis as well. -- F-Lambda (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

That's probably a good idea. -I Am Me Talk- 16:57, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Support all - very good suggestion of general policies to get started with :) IsobelJ (talk) 21:11, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Closure - The following policies are adopted from RS/OSRS wiki with no substantive changes (i.e. only updating links/etc to be relevant to Meta):

Other policies adopted:

  • Meta:Signatures following the points of the section. Whether or not to allow changing images is mostly a moot point as meta has very few images to begin with. A general files policy was not proposed so should be a subject of another thread.
  • Meta:Personal Templates uses the simplified version of osrsw:RS:PT outlined in the section.
  • Meta:Use Common Sense following the points of the section.
  • Meta:User Block Policy following the points of the section, and merging the Proxies policy.

Policies not adopted:

  • The Proxies policy is merged with the User Block Policy.

Gaz (talk) 22:36, 28 December 2018 (UTC)