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In an effort to centralise established RuneScape wiki communities on our network, we're exploring forking additional popular communities that we left behind on Wikia. Specifically, we're exploring forking the RuneScape Classic wiki (https://runescapeclassic.wikia.com) and the Portuguese RuneScape wiki (https://runescape.fandom.com/pt/).

For the sake of transparency, and because decisions like this should be discussed with the community so that a consensus can be made outside of a small group of people (e.g Weird Gloop directors, contractors, and wiki administrators), this thread is to determine whether we should fork those wikis.

I've weighed up some of my thoughts on forking both below.

RuneScape Classic

  • Since we already have wikis for the main RuneScape game and Old School RuneScape, it would seem to make sense to also move over the classic version of the game.
  • Because of the lack of content that was in RuneScape Classic, and thus the lack of topics to cover, it's probably not much of a technical debt and won't take up significant space on our database.
  • It seems there is consensus from editors on the RuneScape Classic wiki for moving.[1]
  • Some of the technical work of forking the RuneScape Classic wiki has already been done as it was used as a test for the initial RuneScape wiki fork.
  • RuneScape Classic is no longer a maintained game, and thus the wiki would perhaps be relatively stale in terms of edits and activity.
  • Only 24 edits (non-bot edits & file uploads) have been performed in the last week. 15 (62.5%) of those were done by one sole editor.[2] In my opinion, this level of engagement is quite low.

pt-br RuneScape Wiki

  • It would allow a localised community of players to have their own RuneScape wiki to reference that is not on Wikia.
  • Some editors of the pt-br wiki have already showed an interest in forking and supported the main wiki's fork.[3]
  • pt-br is the most popular non-English RuneScape Wiki, and therefore the most relevant of all non-English langauge wikis to fork.
  • There is a current lack of activity on the wiki, though forking could allow it to become more active again. Only 1 edit (non-bot) has been made on the wiki in the last week, which was a comment on an article.[4]
  • There is a lack of Portuguese speakers in the current RuneScape Wiki community who could help improve the wiki.

JaydenKieran 20:27, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

Strong Support for pt-br, normal support for RSC - Would like to see the PT-BR side active again. Support RSC only if consensus on their side is still to fork. Kate msg  20:32, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Strong support for both - While the RSC wiki shows signs of decline, I would prefer to have such a place in our community's control. I also have strong support for pt-br. Having all of us under one umbrella and in one family will allow for greater community interaction. Question: Is the French RSWiki a possibility in the future? TylerJarret (Talketh) 20:37, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Strong support for both - the RSC wiki serves more as an archive than anything, but I do feel like it's an integral part of the history of the game that should not be left behind. I don't know how active the PT wiki will become after a potential fork, but I have faith in them to pick up the pace again and make a quality wiki to be proud of, especially with the resources we have in the Weird Gloop network. ThePsionic (talk) 20:38, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Strong support for both - in particular the pt-br folks have been quite diligent and have worked with us a lot. Should be noted that they only stopped editing rather recently, due to expectations of forking with us. Otherwise, the wiki has been pretty active. --cUYuYGL.png Shockstorm 20:53, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Support, with a question - in general I like the idea of having complete coverage of "all things runescape", so I fully support bringing over RSC, even if it would be mostly as an archive. As for PT-BR, I'll have to trust the opinion's of the other commenters here, who generally see them as a solid and valuable community. My main question concerning these additions to the wiki group would be on how we intend to integrate them with the existing wikis. Will we have crosslinking between the OS, RS, and Classic wikis like we had back on Wikia? And for alternate languages (PT-BR, and even others) would those also have cross-linking to the english version of the wiki? BigDiesel2m (talk) 21:19, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes JaydenKieran 16:40, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Weak support - I don't think the forked PT-BR version will get a lot of traffic and no word has been put out for it, but shrug. As for RSC, it'll have hardly any edits, but I suppose for archiving's sake. Talk-to Kelsey 22:25, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Support RSC, Oppose pt-br - The RSC wiki is relatively small, fairly complete, and requires little work/maintenance. Forking it would make valuable interwiki links from relevant RS3 articles possible. Not to mention the benefit of gaining independence from Wikia. The Brazilian version of the RS3 wiki though seems very inactive, the community on the localised version of the game is small, and if there aren't any active people to maintain it I don't see the point of forking it. 5-x (talk) 22:48, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Strong support for both - Per Kate, Tyler, Psi, and Shockstorm. Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) 22:53, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Support Both - Once the PT-BR fork is up and running I fully expect that it will be updated regularly. Better to keep the RuneScape Classic Wiki on under Weird Gloop Ltd. as well. Ryan PM 23:50, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Strong support for both - We already have everything technical set up already, I think it would be a greater loss *not* to move forward. --9xFavoY.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 01:04, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Strong support for both! - As one of tbe admins in the pt-br Wiki, this makes me extremely happy. It seems to me that all hesitation towards our fork comes from the current Wiki's lack of activity, but i'll have you all know that this is just because we are making a conscious decision to not edit until either we fork or the fork is cancelled for good. I find it curious how that was not mentioned, as i told this to several of you, multiple times. Still, i'm siper excited for this fork! Crowborn (talk) 01:22, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

The lead of this thread was just me stating facts based on what I could see, thanks for the clarification about that JaydenKieran 12:03, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Absolutly Support for both! - Quote Kate, Tyler, PSI , Shockstorm. PT BR Community isnt a small community, admins are inactive there atm waiting the fork, back to 2010-2014/15 PT BR Wiki were inactive with 2-3k views per week , now its very active and have more then 20k-30k views per week, recents updates always posted on it, etc. Its a great number to a localized version of Runescape, and numbers are growing with Mobile version, both to OSRS and RS3. Raw lobbs (talk) 11:43, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Support both - I'm sure those communities want it forked. I'm portuguese but I mainly edit RSW, I've tried to help but I feel like it's really hard to help out on updates when I don't know how thins are called in the PT-BR version of the game, so I stick to the english version... I could do prosing, but that'd also imply knowing a lot of names of stuff on a version I do not play at all... However, if I can be of any use please let me know, i'll gladly help since you have such a small amount of editors and things go "missing" for a long time before anyone fills the info. As far as the classic goes, I'm voting yes just for consistency, don't really think much will be done on it after classic was closed. Meeeeerds msg 12:30, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Hey Merds! Thanks for reaching out. I'd love to have your support when/if the fork of the PT-BR wiki is done. You can share any questions you might have in our Discord channel, `#wiki-pt-br`. To ease the burden of translating on the team, I built a tool (link) that provides official translations, exactly to solve the problem you had. I believe you'll find it very useful! SandroHc talk 13:24, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Supoport both! - Forking the Classic wiki just seems right, as it's part of the history of _RuneScape_. I'm a bureaucrat for the PT-BR wiki and, as some have pointed out in this thread, our team has mostly gone inactive after hearing news of the fork away from Fandom. I, personally, stopped contributing to the Fandom-wiki because it seemed like a waste of time and effort to support such a garbage company such as Fandom. I'm sure that was how the rest of the team felt too. If this fork is to happen, we'll restart our efforts into making the PT-BR wiki bigger than ever! SandroHc talk 13:24, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

support pt-br - The pt-br community has been inactive simply because they didn't want to keep maintaining the fandom wiki once they learned of the fork. After the fork they're all planning on becoming active again and will be able to add new content and expand the articles, making it worthwhile to bring them along. However, I oppose classic being forked. The classic game is dead, the wiki is inactive. There is no chance for new content to come to that wiki, so it will never receive new content that will give it a chance to be useful. The argument for it is simply "I want the full set" and "It won't take up many resources". I don't have much to say about point #1, however inactive MediaWiki sites are literal spam beacons. It will take a non-insignificant amount of man time to actively monitor the RSC wiki to keep it clean of spam for no gain, rather than to link to it on articles that no one clicks on. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 16:43, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Support both, but I have a question - If the fork happens, what will the Weird Gloop board look like? Will these wikis get 3 director seats each like the existing wikis already have, and will those wikis' seats all be empty until the 2019 board election (since nominations for this election are closed)? -I Am Probably Someone Talk- 20:52, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

I think 3 director seats is probably unlikely, but this is up to the board to decide in the future. JaydenKieran 16:40, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Strong support for classic, regular support for pt-br. iN008talk 11:21, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Support PT-BR, Neutral Classic - I think there is much good work to be done there, especially when making the 3 wikis more consistent and taking advantage of common tools. I cannot support forking classic as I don't see the net benefit when the wiki will slowly die once the game has closed. Perhaps there's a benefit to archiving it, but the community will slowly die without a modest stream of new editors from playing the game. However, as the work is done already I do not see a reason to explicitly oppose it. cqm talk 17:38, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Support pt-br, neutral Classic - If the pt-br wiki community are enthusiastic about this project, as they seem to be, then it makes sense to bring them over. The RSC wiki is a historical archive and as such, if most of the work is done and it can be kept un-vandalised with minimal effort, then ok. BetsanTalk 08:34, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Support PT-BR - Whilst I'm going to remain Neutral on Classic, I fail to see how PT-BR being forked over will be a bad idea. Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 22:25, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Support both --Iiii I I I 06:45, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Support both - Classic won't have that much edits or visitors, but it'll be hosted by us :). PT-BR for sure! Jr Mime (talk) 22:49, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Support both - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 04:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Support both - Ciphrius Kane (talk) 04:29, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Support both - per everyone else, and my understanding that there isn't too much work involved for the sysadmins. IsobelJ (talk) 19:28, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Support both - Pre-fork, it was always nice to be able to hit the inter-wiki link to the Classic wiki if I ever wanted to see how something has changed over the years, or even just see the icon to know that "yeah, this was a thing back then". It would be nice to have this back. As for the PT-BR wiki, if they're an active community eagerly awaiting to join us, why not? -- F-Lambda (talk) 20:47, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Closed - There is consensus to fork both the RuneScape Classic (RSCW) and Brazilian Portuguese RuneScape Wikis (pt-brRSW) to the Weird Gloop network. RSCW should be ready and editable very soon at https://classic.runescape.wiki, once the final update has run. pt-brRSW isn't ready to be made live just yet, but will be soon - Jayden or I will post an update when it is. Gaz (talk) 18:29, 2 January 2019 (UTC)