Forum:Discord server discovery
Discord has rolled out the server discovery feature to partnered servers - once signed up people can use the feature and find us in the search results.
- You can read about server discovery here and can try it out by clicking the magnifying glass at the bottom of your server list.
The primary things this does:
- Allows us to be found in server discovery
- Allows people that find us via that to join in lurker mode, which lets them see the chat (but not chat) without formally joining the server
- Forces us to use the following moderation settings:
- Verified email is required to chat
- Discord will scan media and content from all members in all non-NSFW channels and automatically delete content they detect as explicit
- Must designate a channel as the rules channel (probably #welcome)
- Must also follow the public server guidelines
Do we want to do this?
1) Requiring people to verify emails isn’t great when they don’t need accounts to edit the wiki in the first place;
2) Some SFW images of ingame npcs (Urchin) might be automatically marked as lewd and deleted for no reason.
3) I don’t think we need to be discovered. We’re here for the game and I’m pretty sure everyone who plays is aware that we exist.
Don’t trust robots, they will take over the world after we kill all the trees.02:59, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - The verified email requirement is a big bad, and would make it way harder for randos to be able to just pop in and ask a question. My guess is this would paradoxically reduce our total activity, although I'll be watching the membership numbers of any RuneScape-related servers that opt in to this, to see if that's actually true in reality. ʞooɔ 03:07, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - Per above issues with email verification, and tbh I don't necessarily believe server discovery attracts the types of users that are beneficial for the wiki, i.e. people actually looking for help or those who edit, rather your generic general-chat surfing discord user. iN008talk 03:26, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Slight support - I'd say contact Discord (https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/requests/new) and see if there can be a variance given on the account verification requirement, specifically becasue of the nature of the server being for a wiki (anyone can edit, no account required), since the requirement of making an account to join the server would be a detriment to a wiki community rather than help the server. If that is possible, then I think the content scan filter is fine (I help admin on a smaller verified server for a different game, and it really doesn't block much of anything in my experience), so I'd be for adding it to server discovery, but with the account requirement in-place, it may be best to keep it off server discovery purely for the fact that it's a server for a wiki. Californ1a (talk)
Oppose -06:08, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
- Explanation - The main issue is what Discord deems "explicit". Explicit really can mean much different things. How explicit is explicit? Is the above image itself explicit in their eyes? I don't trust something as rather vague in that sense, which their guidelines are rather at times. 06:23, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - I think the moderation would be very negligible, but requiring users to be email-verified would be a huge blocker for people who join for quick little questions. I agree with iN008 that the server discovery isn't really a place to advertise the server (although we really do cater to any runescape player, not just editors), but I'd be open to other ways of advertising our server, such as a dedicated space somewhere on the wiki to advertise it than just the sidebar. Haidro (talk) 10:06, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - People looking for the RuneScape Wiki server will find it via the wiki itself rather than a directory which personally I don't actually think many people use. jayden 15:09, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - I was all for this when I first heard we could get on server discovery, however my opinion quickly turned to a hard no once hearing about the harder moderation unfortunately. Per other people, verified email would prevent those coming in just to ask the wiki a quick question. Additionally, not a huge fan of having any image discord deems nsfw (even in private channels) to automatically be deleted (although I hear it's fairly lax, still not a fan) STAR the coolest bean (talk 2 me xoxo) 16:14, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - Absolutely barbaric16:43, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Comment from Gau -19:03, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - I don't think it'll be worth it, given the additional restrictions, especially the email verification. I'd say wait to see how it affects other servers that join, especially runescape related servers, and how/if they change the requirements. I doubt it will bring many new users for us, and probably not a lot who will help the wiki, but i could be wrong. I agree that advertising more on our own wiki might be good. I think a feedback form/report an error type thing on every page would be good (which could also link to the discord and our sections on basic editing).21:32, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - As per everyone else, there shouldn't be barrier to join our server.12:16, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Closed - We won't be joining this program right now, on account to the increased moderation requirements. This can be reconsidered if the requirements to be listed change. ʞooɔ 02:48, 7 December 2019 (UTC)