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This thread was archived on 7 December 2019 by Cook Me Plox.

Hey everyone.

Today we finally reached a level 2 boosted server, which gives us access to the discord server banner, positioned at the top of the server. This has evidently been a controversial addition for some powerusers.

At the moment we're using this image, which looks like this on mobile and this on desktop (for whatever reason it doesn't fade on desktop, though I assume they'll be unified eventually). This is a banner incorporating concept art from both RS and OSRS, which is currently Anachronia and the Twisted League, and we can rotate the art around as notable updates happen.

The other option we briefly had was based on the fork newspost - this, which looked roughly like this/this. This is a more static banner that we probably don't need to change very often.

Of course, the final option is not using a banner, since it does take approximately 3 channels worth of vertical space at the top. (For what it is worth, the banners are forced 16:9 - trying to use an off-ratio banner will have it automatically be cropped into the ratio by Discord.)

Oh, and we are open to more banner submissions, I suppose. But I would personally like to keep the discussion more on 'yes banner'/'no banner', rather than splitting discussion too much.

So anyway, discuss.

Discussion[edit source]

Yes banner - I like it. I prefer the current (concept art) over the logos banner, but in general I just like having a banner. Gaz (talk) 22:32, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Strong oppose to banner - All banner does is shove valuable channels further down the list causing you to scroll, cant see RC without collapsing practically every section above it. Doesn't even fit in the rest of discords ui. Mobile resets the scroll everytime you switch servers. iN008talk 22:34, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Stop hatin' on graphical updates damn. Meeeeerds msg 23:26, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Its the old school way to hate graphical updates. iN008talk 23:30, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Sure - I don't mind really, I think if we've been server boosted enough to have a banner though, we may aswell use it. Strongly prefer the current concept art blend banner compared to any with the wiki logos, which fade out horribly and look tacky Template:Signatures/JaydenKieran 22:39, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Also as an additional note just get rid of the dumb off-topic category and you'll save a ton of space Template:Signatures/JaydenKieran 22:39, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Yes to nuking that, and especially nuke music, nobody actually cares about what anyone else posts. iN008talk 22:42, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
If we're getting rid of channels we think are dumb, can we get rid of all project channels also? Talk-to Kelsey 22:43, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Support Template:Signatures/JaydenKieran 22:45, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Support - I also very much like and prefer it, plus we earned it. As far as scrolling it's one extra scroll click, and it's only certain devices where the mobile scroll is bugged. I really can't understand the reluctance to scroll 1 click more. Elessar2 (talk) 22:44, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

You say we earned it like it's an accomplishment and not just part of discord's monetization scheme 🤷. Having to interact more to complete a task you do multiple times every day (especially in regards to that mobile bug) adds up, regardless of how small an increase that is. iN008talk 22:57, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
It somewhat shows, and I'd say most users see it as showing, that a server has a fairly large active user base. If you're going to make that argument, 1 extra click of the scroll wheel seems like a dumb hill to die on, but that's just me. Elessar2 (talk) 08:11, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes banner - Christine 22:48, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Support - Personally I would put the banner up for a week or two and double-check what people's opinions are at that point. --Gau Cho (talk) 22:48, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Neutral - I'm alright with it personally, but if it bothers people a lot, I wouldn't care if it got removed. Talk-to Kelsey 22:52, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Oppose - Banners are tacky. Agree on all of iN's points. -Towelcat (talk) 23:03, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Support - Not a huge fan of the current banner, but with the right artwork it could look really good  - Sahima (Talk) 23:21, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Support - But good. Meeeeerds msg 23:26, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Support a banner - But can we get something that represents the Wiki and not the game? We aren't the runescape server. Haidro (talk) 23:43, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Feel free to make one Template:Signatures/JaydenKieran 23:44, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
^ Meeeeerds msg 23:48, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Oppose — It majorly clashes with the rest of Discord UI, and so while the banner itself looks nice, it becomes aesthetically unpleasing. It also takes up unnecessary space in a channel list that's already very long. With the amount of space it takes, I don't see a way I would like it. --laagone talk 00:18, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Oppose - Im opposing this on principle because *yet again*, a change has been made to the discord BEFORE the thread has been closed, which to me seems very unfair. -dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 00:27, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Do you have an opinion on the actual proposal? ʞooɔ 00:29, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I think it is ugly and wastes space that we seem to have just gotten back. But I'm more concerned over my first issue. -dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Metahib8CAd.png 00:31, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Oppose/Comment - I like the banner, I really do. I do have to agree with above comments about the banner being put up before the discussion has closed. It functionally undermines the purpose of putting things to a consensus. If you're going to make changes like this, regardless of functionality or aesthetic, either wait for the discussion to finish or don't open a discussion at all. On the other points brought up by opposition, I don't have an issue with other channels being bumped down since I have like half of the categories collapsed in the first place, and I don't think it looks particularly bad. Badassiel 00:46, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

So shouldn't this be a support of the banner? Elessar2 (talk) 08:11, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
+1 to elessar, quoting what i said in discord:
[5:03 AM] star in galar: am i missing something
[5:04 AM] star in galar: why did bada oppose when her comment is basically 'i like the banner and i don't have an issue with it bumping things down
STAR the coolest bean (talk 2 me xoxo) 08:40, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
The oppose is because it seems to be implemented already, despite the ongoing discussion. I'm opposed on principle and the current execution. Badassiel 23:30, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
While I agree that it shouldn't have been implemented before this thread, this thread is about whether or not we want a banner at all. In the future, a separate thread does need to be made outlining how we deal with changes on Discord because at the moment stuff is being changed constantly without any form of consensus (with a few exceptions). Talk-to Kelsey 23:39, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't think a banner does anything positive for the server, nor does it match the general aesthetic of Discord. At best it's an unnecessary frilly feature that was added simply because we could add one, and at worst its an active detriment to people who like to use discord to check recent changes or any other channel further down the list. BigDiesel2m (talk) 01:04, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Neutral - Changing my vote to neutral because I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. While personally I don't like how the banner looks, if it's appealing to other people I can live with it, especially if people think it makes the Discord look more official/active/legitimate/etc to new users. BigDiesel2m (talk) 22:22, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Oppose - Takes up space, still badly optimized on mobile (at least my version of mobile), and doesn't add anything except the idea that there's 8 people willing to boost the server at once. Also, not that it's a huge issue, but does anybody know if it's even allowed to use jagex's concept art as a banner? I would assume there'd be something in discord's tos about not using copyrighted material in banners as it's distributing copyrighted work to everybody on the server. Crow653 (talk) 05:29, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

We have a license to use Jagex's intellectual property related to RuneScape. Even if the copyright concern is real for other Discords (not clear to me), it's legally not an issue for us. ʞooɔ 09:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Commment - To address the issue people are bringing up about space; the banner takes up the space of 2 channels, or 1 collapsed group because half of the space the banner takes is taken by the header regardless. Additionally as far as I'm aware the only discord version that doesn't keep scroll position is apparently the Android app. Furthermore if the sisue is the rc channels, than why do we have general at the top of the list? Constructive wiki related talk is generally less than 1% of the discussion in those channels. Elessar2 (talk) 08:11, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Support - s*xy (i had to star out the e because the filter wouldn't let me write the naughty word thx :)) banner that not every server has, scrolling is a negligible issue STAR the coolest bean (talk 2 me xoxo) 08:40, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

gives the sidebar a lovely pop of colour and makes the server stands out very nice very sɛxy ȿexy ѕexy STAR the coolest bean (talk 2 me xoxo) 08:44, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Oppose - Takes up too much vertical space and it can't be collapsed. Plus, the current banner is too colourful. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 23:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Support - I like the banner or a banner in general and I think the scrolling is a negligible issue. Srylius (talk) 06:27, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Vague oppose the banner, especially if peoples' only ideas for it are RuneScape concept art. I don't think the argument that the banner makes the server look more prestigious is as compelling now that Discord shows the partner badge (more impressive imo) next to the server name when you hover over the sidebar. --Iiii I I I 07:04, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Neutral - I don't mind whether we use it or not, but merging bits of concept art together just looked weird, especially with the fading on the android app. Unless it actually adds something to the server and represents the wikis, I don't see the point in having it. cqm talk 20:11, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Closed - There's no consensus here. While a slight majority of users preferred having a banner, a big group also had functional reasons they didn't like the vertical space it took up (especially on mobile). This vertical space argument is exacerbated by problems with scrolling reset in Discord's Android app, and if those issues were fixed, I don't think it would be a very compelling argument. Debates over aesthetics (like in logo threads) are usually hard to get consensus on, and this one was extra hard because the opposition had practical reasons for not wanting the change.

A few people also raised concerns that this was added without discussion, and the thread was only made after the fact. As much I am loath to see my precious meta wiki get filled up with discussions related to Discord administration, it's clear that a sizable portion of the group would prefer we move more slowly on these sorts of decisions. I don't really know where the line is here (I'd hope we can agree that we don't need consensus for individual emojis), but this is seemingly a big issue to some people, so please use your best judgment and collect feedback (in some medium) before making broad changes to the Discord server.

I'd suggest we can reconsider the banner if the Android issue is fixed, or someone has a stylistically different banner they want to propose, or someone comes up with a compelling practical argument for having a banner. In the mean time, we can all at least go enjoy our 50MB upload limit and extra emojis... ʞooɔ 03:10, 7 December 2019 (UTC)