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Man, we've been back and forth on this one for a bit. Even though the most recent thread only closed a week and a half ago, some major changes have happened in particular to the Discord Android app that might warrant the server banner finally being added. The React Native version of the app has started rolling out, bringing feature parity across desktop, web and mobile clients, and finally getting rid of the annoying functionality where the banner shows up first when you scroll (it's now just glued to the top and only shown when you reach the top of the channel list). The bug (feature?) where you scroll back to the top when switching back from another server is sadly still around, though (don't know if this is just me or actually the case) it feels to me like the server banner has lost some of its height, plus the channel list has lost a fair bit of its internal padding, so it should be less of a hassle navigating around channels.

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Might it finally be time to add a server banner, now that significant changes have happened?

Discussion[edit source]

Support - per myself InvalidCards (talk) 07:35, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Support - Gotta love the absolutely epic timing with regards to the last thread. Shout outs to the Discord team for rolling this feature change out for us with such short notice, big ups! Anyways, this feature is now in a good spot, and the major reason for my past opposition has been addressed. Any ideas for banners? Owl (t | c) (osrsw) 07:50, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm personally still in favour of the banner that was suggested in an earlier thread. We don't have to make it more difficult than it is tbh. InvalidCards (talk) 07:55, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Looks great! Owl (t | c) (osrsw) 07:57, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
thanks i didn't make it InvalidCards (talk) 07:57, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Glad Support - I'm happy about this turn of events, truly didn't expect a Discord update to come out so soon after the previous discussion, it's like they heard our cries Kolja 09:05, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Oppose – I maintain that it's aesthetic clutter for the sake of it without offering anything of value, and it still takes up vertical space when you're scrolled up (which is kinda the default position of a channel list). --julia talk 09:18, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Support - banner looks cool Haidro (talk) 09:32, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Support - Aesthetic clutter go brrrrr Ostentatio (talk) 09:54, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Oppose - Banners be blinding -Towelcat (talk) 10:29, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Support - branding cool jayden 11:57, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Support - in the wise words of our lord and saviour Talk-to Kelsey 12:14, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

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Strong Oppose - As mentioned, there's still a functional issue of the scroll resetting, which exacerbates the issue of mobile vertical space pointlessly being used. Aesthetically, I think they look horrible still. zTUG5mD.png Crow  12:19, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Question: does that problem happen when there's no banner too or does the banner cause it? Kolja 12:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
It always happens, the banner just massively exacerbates it beyond what anything else could by adding effectively like 4 or 5 channels-worth of whitespace zTUG5mD.png Crow  12:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
OK - thanks for the answer Kolja 12:29, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
To expand a bit, the base issue I have is that it's using vertical space in an element of the server that people by design have to use frequently and provides nothing in return. On mobile, this vertical space is actually valuable because the scroll resets, if it didn't reset then most users would scroll down to what they were happy with and would basically never have the banner wasting space. On desktop, scroll not resetting is already the case, until you hard reset the desktop app it remembers your scroll position on every server just fine, I use this a ton to not have to see the welcome/announcements channels for example, and I'd use it to effectively never see the banner too.
I don't think that remembering scroll position is necessarily a good solution for discord to implement on mobile, but it's one solution that would tip me over to only having aesthetic reasons against or for a banner. The best solution is probably discord providing an option to disable server banners client-side, or they could move it somewhere that the vertical space is truly unimportant like the user list. zTUG5mD.png Crow  13:01, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Support - It's almost like Discord knew we were having this discussion  BlackHawk (Talk)    13:04, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Sus - Do you know something we don't? Kolja 13:18, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Support - That bug (feature?) is a very negligible nuisance for me when in return we get to show off that we got an active community that care about our server (and some of them boosting our server) to many other people that visit the server. "You're talking as if it is an accomplishment and not just part of discord's monet..." no, I just don't think it is worth being the dull odd-one-out server to not have a banner. Shayani (talk) 13:24, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

This reasoning makes no sense to me. You're downplaying the issues it has by saying it gives.. a view of activity and care? How does it show that people are active or care about the server? Just 4 people with nitro can boost the server and we'd get a banner, I'd hardly classify that as an "active community that cares about our server". Even with our current boost count of 19, that's 10 people with nitro or at best 19 people buying individual boosts, that doesn't tell me anything about the activity or care the community has for the server. We're obviously much more active as a community than 19 people, and I don't see how anybody could view 10-19 people handing 100-95 (yes, that's in the right order) dollars a month to discord as "care", do boosters care more about the server than non-boosters? Are we measuring how much people care about the server by how much money they give discord? Even if we did, the number of boosters would be a better measurement than a banner anyways then, since there's no distinction between 7 and 19 boosts with a banner. This isn't a way for normal users to see that we're active or that we care about the server, nobody cares if a server has a banner or not when judging that. This just seems like a massive leap of logic in order to try and provide a more practical reason to support instead of "this looks good". zTUG5mD.png Crow  14:23, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Oppose - Scroll still resets. Even if it didn't, it'd still be inconvenient when scrolling up. Habblet (talk|c) 14:24, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

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Oppose, but what if we used the banner like a sitenotice? As proposed, the banner is at best a subjective aesthetic improvement and at worst a navigation obstacle. Instead, I could see the banner giving actual value to the wiki if we utilized it sparingly (similar to the actual sitenotice banner on the wiki), which we could enable for short durations to drive activity in ongoing OSWF tasks or similar wiki events. If we had the banner enabled at all times, nobody would pay attention when we wanted to use it as a wiki advert. Riblet15 (talk) 04:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Support this actually - :augunice: InvalidCards (talk) 07:27, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Comment - Seems good. Owl (t | c) (osrsw) 19:55, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Seems good – I like this idea. Makes the banner actually useful and not just a waste of space. --julia talk 21:13, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
I think I'd wanna see an example before supporting this idea, text in the banner doesn't seem like it'd be easily readable depending on how much is there and I'm unsure if something like an icon would really convey "there's an event ongoing" properly, I do like the idea though zTUG5mD.png Crow  04:31, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Support – While I don't agree with the presupposition that an aesthetical feature has to justify its existence by also providing some practical benefit (an element that looks good also gives actual value to the wiki), I like this idea, and suspect plastering a big booty bond symbol with OSWF superimposed above all the channels might just be ticket to get those infrequent editors salivating. Ostentatio (talk) 05:02, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Slight oppose - It's a good idea, but I'm not sure I see a valuable use of it that that can do the job it's intended to, wouldn't mind being proven wrong though. FjaraTalkRxSktuY.png 05:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Support - Meeeeerds msg 10:51, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

This request for closure was denied A user has requested closure for Discord Server Banner: This Time It's Another Thread. Request denied. The reason given was: No thread activity in more than 7 days
my man you just activity'd InvalidCards (talk) 21:55, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
watch me do it again Owl (t | c) (osrsw) 03:19, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
I don't think I can close this right now. There's probably not consensus for or against the original proposal of a permanent banner. Riblet's compromise proposal of using it for specific things at specific times might grab enough support to overcome that, but as of right now only 3 people have commented on it, and it's lacking any discussion about specifics of when it would be used, who it would be up to, et cetera. ʞooɔ 21:57, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Can we close this yet? Since the last request was denied another two weeks have passed and there has been no activity. If someone wanted to contribute I think there's been ample time. Owl (t | c) (osrsw) 03:19, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

riblet - Kolja 04:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

General Support + Comment The Runescape wikis, generally speaking, are some of the most polished wikis in existence and an inspiration for what a polished game guide should be. Thousands of valuable hours are spent by professional and amateur developers merely to assist a hobby of which millions have enjoyed. A parallel to the real world would be a significant credit and contribution to humanity. Therefore, I propose a banner which represents all types of contributors and readers of the various hosted Runescape wikis. (see example: https://imgur.com/a/BJHETY0) No but seriously. Maybe just the 3 wiki logos or something. --User:Undefined talk 20:12, 19 September 2022 (UTC)